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Author Topic: Academy Award Voters are F-in Stupid (Oscars Open Thread and Rant)  (Read 290 times)
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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2010, 09:40:34 PM »

You know...I was going to post a page back that everyone should know by now this has long been about politics.  But honestly, I would trade 1000 posts of mine to read what 5th posted above...even if he did somewhat misuse "zeitgeist" (I gotta bust ya for something...that post was too good; in your defense, you warned us that you didn't review rotflol )

I didn't realize you were quite the aesthete.  Bravo 5th!  Bravo!  Those are the posts that I can sink my teeth into and now I am wondering why you never share such passion and knowledge of artistry more often.  I feel short-changed.  I implore you my good man, do this more often.
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2010, 09:56:16 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2010, 10:13:38 PM »

Hitler finds out Avatar didn't win Best Picture (Original Version)
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2010, 10:43:13 PM »

The Pocahontas thing is funny.  But the Hitler adaptation is the best one yet.
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2010, 07:03:26 AM »




That... is a thing of beauty. funny  You could do the same thing for Cinderella and An Officer and A Gentleman. who's Matt Bateman?  btw, DAE, thanks (I think rotflol ). however clumsily delivered I appreciate your recognition of passion.  

My general feeling about aesthetics, especially with my clients, is that lay discussion and communication through subtle device is more important than a list of referential design cues or over blown systems of organizational discipline or titanic gesture in creating the theater of environment. If you get too caught up in story, you lose... the emotive content and it becomes an exercise in monologue which would comprise a great book that could be hung in each stall of the building's toilet rooms.  Often in that kind of introverted excercise, the final work is so intellectualized as to become boring or self masturbatory to the degree that the end user gets bored or distracted by the work and never makes it to the toilet to read the story.  

I'm an agoraphobic.  I HATE large public spaces (yes, like football stadiums).  As long as I'm on the edge of them I'm comfortable but I find myself EXTREMELY uncomfortable in the middle of a large space, or in the middle of a crowd in a large space (or in a grocery store for that matter).

Example story: A few years ago the posse converged on Chicago and a buddy of mine and I went out to see Gehry's new band shell in Millenium Park.  I walked around the edges of the great lawn, bigger than a football field, kind of hugging the scale of the green buffer at the perimeter.  My buddy got into conversation with another member of our wandering tribe, and I decided I needed to get photos of the thing from the middle of the lawn.  I walked out there... and was... shocked.  The media trellis he placed over that  space... gave me scale... probably the only comfortable moment I've ever felt in a space that large.  I photographed it, the wild curving titanium panels bending on a whim with childlike exhuberance, and then it hit me... what he had done, and I broke into tears, grinning.

In the environment of theater, the theater of environment... he had responded to the nature of this building type by choosing one of the two masks and had built... frozen laughter.





It's the conveyance of emotion in work that sometimes we feel and don't have to intellectualize that is far more important than the physical work or subtle reference that goes into it, along with all the pragamatics.  In Gehry's case, in this application, I felt a little boy with a roll of tin foil that didn't give up until the shape was just right. and I laughed until I cried knowing that I heard him laughing as he formed it.  call that passion, or a recognition of timelessness in the creation of place... it's Alexander's "guality without a name," even though I hate Alexander's writings.  

To bring this full circle regarding your observation of passion, DAE, I find it unwise to treatise the perspective of an aesthetician.  It doesn't get to the heart of the cool emotional content.  And it's ok not to know why a piece feels right... it's better to make one that does feel good  knowing that the tool kit was used  in such a way as to convey the emotion required for the application.  I do teach my clients, and they ALWAYS teach me, leading me into explorations of  perspective that's always fresh and a reason to wake up in the morning.  In the end, the most important thing to me.. is the emotive response to my work, even if it's so subtle as to be un-noticeable.

That's my relationship to the experience of film.  I am an entertainment in creating environmental theater.  I hope that I have the ability to respond to program, need, and gesture to convey the spirit of place required to suit a clients needs.  I do not choose to impose a style upn them.. I do try to be a mirror to who they are and give them what they don't know they are looking for, and feel equipped to do it because I'm gifted with the ability to see what they might be thinking about when they are not sure how to communicate what they need.  Makes my days special.

When I think on the Academy ... I see a host of excellent people... folks blessed in the craft of the temporary suspension of disbelief, which really is what all creative endeavours aspire to.  I see those folks as fallible but genuine in their efforts to better their craft, just like the American Institue of Architects, who seem to stumble on their feet in their lobbying more than any other professional organization in the country.  At least with the Academy you know what you're getting.  bigger than life self promoting goofballs that wanna make a buck over talkies, but with a core group that promotes the value of craft over revenue.  That's an entirely different discussion, but brings us back to the title of the thread.


What constitutes value in perception and experience?  There's a good question.
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2010, 07:32:39 AM »

Don't get me wrong, I disagree with some of what you say (for instance, the arational nature of emotive content, Andy Warhol, and where value lies in perception which I oppose to what's valuable in perception...the two are often mistakenly fused and confused), but regardless, I love every moment of it.  It is reflective, provocative, and razor sharp.  I love the allusions, the questions, and the examples.  I'm not asking you to deliver a treatise on the ineffable; there are plenty of aesthetic topics we can still talk about.  I'm asking you to communicate...to share.  I would love to touch on some of the topics but I'm trying to meet a deadline first.     
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2010, 07:57:08 AM »

We have plenty of time my brother.  Our conversation here is prolly not going to affect much. 
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2010, 09:36:30 AM »

I do not watch the awards shows. I guess I can't really express an opinion about who should win because I rarely go to the movies. I saw The Blind Side and that's it--I though Sandra Bullock did an incredible job by the way. (I think the last movie I saw before that was either the last Pirates or Indy movie, which ever was out last)

Any way, I agree that popularity doesn't always equal art. Popularity should have nothing to do with it either way. That contest is decided at the box office and that winner gets a big fat pay check. I think the Academy awards are judged more on the 'craft' of movie making and acting. There are 'movies' then there are 'films'. The Acamdey is about 'films'.

Oly, I'm curios as to why you think Twister should have won. I saw the movie, liked it, but it just never crossed my mind that it was award winning. Was it nominated?

Star Wars I get--it changed movie making.
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2010, 10:03:17 AM »

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There are 'movies' then there are 'films'.

 surprise surprise surprise surprise surprise surprise surprise

hell is freezing over, pigs are flying, and the end has begun...although it is a simple yet poignant statement...can't believe i'm going to say this...(gulp) but i agree with 67 here... ( paranoid waiting for that lightning bolt)  rotflol
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 10:18:16 AM »

One of my majors in college was Threatre.
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2010, 02:22:27 PM »

One of my minors in college was logic.  I dunno that it got me anywhere.  paranoid
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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2010, 03:11:32 PM »

I had a double major--theatre and political science. I thought they fit well together.  funny
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2010, 04:52:09 PM »

I had a double major--theatre and political science. I thought they fit well together.  funny

Darlin' - design and logic are counterintuative.  That may have either been my great gift or burden looking back.   rotflol  I'm still wondering after your garage door.
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2010, 05:03:46 PM »

I watch for the clothes, jewelry and shoes. Let me think  thinking thinking thinking What can I buy next???? Hubby just  crying crying crying!!!
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2010, 07:44:27 PM »

Box office numbers aren't in any way a barometer of any sort of artistic success in film making.

The Transformers movies are terrible and they kill at the box office. This actually can be said about anything Michael Bay makes.

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